tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post6417797023728478967..comments2023-11-08T06:40:36.804+00:00Comments on investdrinks (blog): The Premier Wine Company: a clarification receivedJim's Loirehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-87672177534907567452013-02-05T09:23:50.149+00:002013-02-05T09:23:50.149+00:00Are The Premier wine company No 1 West street BROM...Are The Premier wine company No 1 West street BROMLEY and 2 Park Road BROMLEY the same company.I have tride contacting the frist without success.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-65130425639655178632012-09-28T15:22:56.707+01:002012-09-28T15:22:56.707+01:00Leah Lixx: Could you please send me details of the...Leah Lixx: Could you please send me details of the court case. Many thanks. Jim Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-51483624255978830042011-02-21T22:42:33.654+00:002011-02-21T22:42:33.654+00:00Thanks anon. jim@investdrinks.org
JimThanks anon. jim@investdrinks.org<br /><br />JimJim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-29617193397435608592011-02-21T22:40:48.708+00:002011-02-21T22:40:48.708+00:00DEAR JIM
DO YOU HAVE AN EMAIL I CAN SEND DETAILS O...DEAR JIM<br />DO YOU HAVE AN EMAIL I CAN SEND DETAILS ON EX LAND BANKER OR PO BOXAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-54373895882076788842011-02-20T20:00:19.050+00:002011-02-20T20:00:19.050+00:00While largely in agreement with anon here, the cru...While largely in agreement with anon here, the crucial words here are 'disclosed everything to begin with'. Selling over-priced wine as an investment while pretending that it is a great deal and not disclosing that it can be purchased much more quickly elsewhere, might be one element in a fraud case when linked to exaggerated promises of high returns. <br /><br />This was the case in the actions brought by the SFO against whiksy and Champagne fraudsters. Much easier of course to prove that casks of whisky was a poor/non hope investment than Lafite!<br /><br />Once again a reminder that I'm not claiming/alleging that companies that I would not buy for are fraudulent.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-86192128103302116652011-02-20T19:05:00.315+00:002011-02-20T19:05:00.315+00:00Fraud is very easy to allege but extremely difficu...Fraud is very easy to allege but extremely difficult to prove. In order for fraud to be proved the prosecution must be able to show intent to defraud. In the case of Templar not buying the wine was pretty easy to prove intent.<br /><br />If a company is able prove why they chose a markup, that they bought the wine and disclosed everything to begin with, it may be sharp practice, but it is not fraud. That's why Jim does not want to explain fraud, because in most of the cases it is not fraud, it is just selling over priced wine to people stupid enough to part with hard earned cash, in to something they know nothing about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-38967165737142213912011-02-19T12:24:23.252+00:002011-02-19T12:24:23.252+00:00Anon: 'ex land banking sales manager'
Who...Anon: 'ex land banking sales manager'<br /><br />Whoever this refers to anon I would certainly welcome further details. Thanks.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-60472620416220280582011-02-18T13:25:48.722+00:002011-02-18T13:25:48.722+00:00Anon. Thanks for your comment.
Firstly I think it...Anon. Thanks for your comment.<br /><br />Firstly I think it reasonable to expect the previous anon to take the trouble to spell my name correctly.<br /><br />Secondly the question is a large one. Wine fraud is covers counterfeit bottles, malpractice over labelling and in the winemaking etc. All quite separate from wine investment fraud.<br /><br />In any definition it is entirely reasonable to refer to past case history where people have been convicted of fraud over drinks investment. Sometimes that has involved promises of excessive and unfounded profits even though the Champagne or casks of whisky were purchased in these cases, as well as claimed expertise that the defendants did not possess. Sometimes, as in the latest case, it is even more clear-cut as in the Templar Vintners case where the wine ordered by clients was not bought.<br /><br />I'm certainly not seeking to evade the question but I'm not going to give either of you a simplistic sound-bite.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-80530521736194439582011-02-18T13:11:25.882+00:002011-02-18T13:11:25.882+00:00Dear Jim
I see you have a sarcastic personality? ...Dear Jim<br /><br />I see you have a sarcastic personality? anon above asked a reasonable question to which you have evaded the answer<br />so what is your definition of wine fraud and your definition of investment wine fraud<br />I would be interestedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-38808397403802665532011-02-17T12:57:01.767+00:002011-02-17T12:57:01.767+00:00Anon. I'm afraid JIn is away, so Jim is replyi...Anon. I'm afraid JIn is away, so Jim is replying.<br /><br />I thought I had made it clear above that I have made no claim or suggestion that this company is acting fraudulently.<br /><br />Do you mean wine fraud or wine investment fraud? If you mean the latter I would refer you to the verdict in December of guilty on Benedict M over International Wine Commodities Ltd and Templar Vintners Ltd.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-56659430445991967472011-02-17T12:45:58.773+00:002011-02-17T12:45:58.773+00:00Dera JIn what is you definition of wine fraud?????...Dera JIn what is you definition of wine fraud?????<br /><br />sold wines not yet recieved<br />sold wines with a commission/ markup<br /><br />Is there a definitive price a wine is sold at or is it a case of buyer beware??? because the price is fluid and not set in stone!<br /><br />I weould like to hear your definition of fraud, or a re you mixing fraud and sharp practices on pricing as one and the same which they are not!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-61647318769012508172011-02-16T19:55:12.798+00:002011-02-16T19:55:12.798+00:00I should make it clear that I haven't suggeste...I should make it clear that I haven't suggested that Mr Cramer's business is fraudulent. I have made a series of suggestions that would help the Premier Wine Company to distinguish itself from those other companies who Leigh Cramer alleges have used material from his company's website without permission. I'm hoping to hear from Leigh Cramer whether he will be adopting these suggestions.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-19142490973640954532011-02-16T19:29:57.001+00:002011-02-16T19:29:57.001+00:00It is very simple and inexpensive to issue a defam...It is very simple and inexpensive to issue a defamation claim in the UK. <br /><br />All you need to do is prove that one client in the UK read the article. Listing a firm on a website dedicated to ousting fraud will cause loss and damage to that company, no question about it. It is nonsense to suggest that a reputable firm would ignore Jims website, they would litigate quickly and severely. The web and blogs are a powerful forum and one, which very definitely influence consumer choice. <br /><br />Personally I believe Jim is wrong to list the firms on his website that he would buy wine from. There is sharp practice in the wine trade and some of the firms listed are at the forefront of it. For instance who is supplying wine to the “dodgy” firms? the London wine trade of course!. Many of the firms listed are the ones driving up the base price by selling to “dodgy” firms and happily banking the profits . <br /><br />If I was a defrauded investor I would be looking to reclaim my money from the firm, which ultimately received it, fraud is easy to prove, just follow the money and go and get it back. Further if one of the firms received money from any of the “dodgy” firms they are complicit at best and co-conspirators at worst. Lets hope a really big case gets under way and some of the directors of the big London brokers get cross-examined. Enabling fraud is a serious offense in the financial services industry. If you don’t believe me follow Madoff, the liquidators are going after money from everyone who received it; it will call go into a pot and then be distributed.<br /><br />One thing for certain though, every firm Jim has ever got his teeth into has proven to be a fraud or certainly very dodgy, so come on Mr. Cramer, prove you are innocent and issue against Mr. Budd, if you don’t you are tacitly admitting you cannot defend your business and its practices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-67010368079727905332011-02-14T18:01:48.894+00:002011-02-14T18:01:48.894+00:00haha Verbal Diarrhoeahaha Verbal DiarrhoeaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-74051396119770134302011-02-13T18:46:42.344+00:002011-02-13T18:46:42.344+00:00Anon. Whatever my pledge has always been to correc...Anon. Whatever my pledge has always been to correct anything thing that is shown to be untrue or inaccurate.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1567042805993048802.post-84463124751486197692011-02-13T17:01:48.676+00:002011-02-13T17:01:48.676+00:00Dear Jim
Without meaning to be offensive is Leigh ...Dear Jim<br />Without meaning to be offensive is Leigh Cramer suffering from Verbal Diarrhoea<br /><br />We all know litigation is extremely expensive and hardly worthwhile. So why does he make idle threats and boasts such. I have found that those that shout the loudest have most to hide<br /><br />You can buy old companies off the shelf so what, a real company will take your remarks with a pinch of sugar and if they are not doing anything wrong would not be bothered about it and carry on with business as usual<br /><br />Bromley Kent is full of wine bandits we all know that as well as lanbanking banditsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com